Judging by the large response to yesterday's blogging, I should do more posts about punctuation...

But hey, like the Democratic Party, I've never been one to learn from experience.

One of my favorite political sites, which I visit every day, is Electoral-Vote.com. The site has an unabashedly liberal preference, but the handling of the data from the polls is (usually) done in an impartial manner. The focus of the site (as the name would imply) is where each candidate stands in the electoral college rather than the popular vote, based on the most current polling data. The site doesn't shrink from displaying bad news -- as it's doing now.

The section of the site that worries me the most is the graphing section. You might want to take a look at it. There are two graphs for the current presidential race: the first one counts any state where either candidate has a lead of any kind, no matter how small; the one below counts only those states where a candidate has a lead of 5% or better in the polls, since anything below is essentially a statistical tie.

There are also corresponding graphs at the same scale further down the page which graph out the same statistics for the 2004 race between John Kerry and George W. Bush. It's the similarities between the '04 and '08 graphs that are frightening. In the top graph, Obama had a HUGE lead over McCain throughout the summer... until late July/early August, when poll numbers for him started dropping, not coincidentally at the same time that the McCain campaign brought on a raft of Karl Rove's disciples and started running extremely negative anti-Obama ads.

It's the same tactic they used in 2004. Look at the first Kerry/Bush graph. Kerry, too, enjoyed a substantial lead in the electoral college polls against Bush through most of the summer.... until the Swift Boat ads started. By the end of August, his lead had entirely evaporated.

Now, at the end of August, Obama's lead -- similarly -- has also vanished under the assault of negative ads.

It's obvious why politicians go negative: it works. Despite the protests of the public about how much they hate negative campaigning, it works. Obviously, all those assertions by John and Jane Q. Public that they won't vote for someone who does negative campaigning are so much hot air: they will, and they do. What remains to be seen at this juncture is how Obama will respond to the negative campaigning. As much as I hate saying this, I think he has to go just as negative. If Obama is vulnerable on the "inexperience" and "oh, he's just an arrogant celebrity" and the none-too-subtle "he's a scary Muslim black man" fronts, well, McCain is just as vulnerable on the "senile old man," "rich guy who thinks a $4 million dollar income doesn't qualify as 'wealthy'" and "will claim he believes anything if it gets him elected" fronts.

Kerry didn't fight back and he lost. The same could happen to Obama.

The glimmer of hope is in the second set of graphs. Obama still is keeping a large gap between himself and McCain when only the "solid" states are counted, whereas Kerry had already tanked there as well by the end of August. What that tells me is that if Obama begins to hammer hard at McCain in the states where things are tight, he can still turn this around.

I'd hate to see a repeat of the 2004 debacle in '08...

From: [identity profile] scbutler.livejournal.com


Obama's already starting to hit back. Personally, I hope he matches the Republicans' dirt hit by hit. Pacifism always loses, unless you're dealing with the British.

From: [identity profile] lindajdunn.livejournal.com


Corsi's Obama Nation is doing a great job of spreading deliberate disinformation... and it came out on the Bestseller list.

I don't understand how he and his publisher have avoided being being sued.

From: [identity profile] sleigh.livejournal.com


And Corsi, as you probably know, was involved with the Swift Boat campaign...

The Obama website has a pdf that refutes many of the statements in the Corsi book. But yes, the vetting of 'facts' in the Corsi book seems to be sadly lacking, and now there are going to be a ton of people saying "See! I told you Obama was a damn Muslim! It says so right here in this book!"

From: [identity profile] jrittenhouse.livejournal.com


Unfortunately likely. Susan and I do our 'how is this going to play in Ross County' routine on this stuff (that's where my Dad's family came from - he moved away in 1930, but...)

From: [identity profile] barondave.livejournal.com


I liked Obama's challenge to McCain recently, to refrain from personal remarks. Not only does it hit him where it hurts -- as you say, McCain is only doing well by going negative -- but it provides cover for Obama: The next asinine McCain ad and Obama can shrug his shoulders and say, "Hey, I tried but I'm not just going to sit here and take this shit."

(Hmm... couldn't work in a semi-colon, so you'll have to live with a post that merely uses an m-dash and a colon.)

From: [identity profile] sleigh.livejournal.com


Let's hope he doesn't take it...

Gosh. No semicolon. *le sigh*

From: [identity profile] haniaw.livejournal.com


Looks like they heard you.

Obama’s Ads in Key States Go on Attack (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/20/us/politics/20ads.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin)

From: [identity profile] sleigh.livejournal.com


If, as the article says, Obama's running negative ads only locally while staying with positive ads nationally, I'm not certain the strategy's going to work. McCain is hitting him with ads everyone is seeing.

From: [identity profile] scbutler.livejournal.com


One of the reasons I want Obama to hit back is because I'm sick and tired of being bullied by these cretins. Do we really live in a country this stupid?

From: [identity profile] jdonat.livejournal.com

stupid is as stupid does...


Unfortunately, me too. I dont see that much stupid, as regards elections, and elected officials in Oak Park, but boy o boy, do I see stupid, even within my own family. I don't discuss politics with my aunt and uncle in FL. Baaad idea.

From: [identity profile] sleigh.livejournal.com


Judging by the 2000 election and (especially) the 2004 one, and now the trending for this one: apparently yes.

Mind you, those on the other side feel that liberals are the stupid ones. Sometimes, given the way the Dems recently have a habit of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, they may have a point.

From: [identity profile] scbutler.livejournal.com


Unfortunately, incompetence is a very different thing from stupidity. Which is what every single person with an income less than $250K is if they've voted Republican in the last four general elections.

Sorry,but I'm starting to get a little hysterical about this election.

From: [identity profile] jdonat.livejournal.com

hitting back..


I'm just afraid that if Obama starts hitting back hard, then the McBush folks will start stomping their little neocon feet and start bleating all at the same time "he said he wouldn't do this, and now he is!!! waaaaaahhh!!!!!!" Flipflopper!!!!! And all the supposedly 'neutral' MSM will pick up on this and be McCain's little helpers.

I know he needs to start hitting and HARD. But just not the slimy crap that the RNC has been doing for the last 8 years.

From: [identity profile] sleigh.livejournal.com

Re: hitting back..


"..."he said he wouldn't do this, and now he is!!! waaaaaahhh!!!!!!" Flipflopper!!!!!"

When actually it was McCain who said that he absolutely, positively wouldn't allow his people to run a negative campaign...
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