Here's a vitally important debate in these troubled times: the decline of the semicolon. According to the article, "Kurt Vonnegut called the marks "transvestite hermaphrodites representing absolutely nothing." Hemingway and Chandler and Stephen King, said McIntyre, "wouldn't be seen dead in a ditch with a semi-colon (though Truman Capote might). Real men, goes the unwritten rule of American punctuation, don't use semi-colons." "

Huh. I use semicolons fairly regularly; I like the way they transition from one related thought to another in a single sentence. And after a colon, a list of examples or thoughts should be separated by semicolons, not simple commas. But perhaps I'm in the vast minority.

What about you? Are you a semicolon hater?

From: [identity profile] scbutler.livejournal.com


Real men use punctuation properly. I'm with you.

From: [identity profile] skylarker.livejournal.com


I use semi-colons; but I'm not a Real Man.

From: [identity profile] haikujaguar.livejournal.com


I seem to recall Hemingway writing at least one sentence in The Sun Also Rises that spanned two paperback pages.

He might have thought he didn't need a semicolon. Maybe someone wasn't man enough to tell him to punctuate properly. ;)

From: [identity profile] sleigh.livejournal.com


*grin* Especially amusing in that I just re-read that book last month...

From: [identity profile] mindyklasky.livejournal.com


I fail on the Real Man test, but I'm a big fan of semi-colons. Especially in complex writing, they provide structure and variety to sentences; they can even make difficult ideas easier for readers to process.

From: [identity profile] fredcritter.livejournal.com


Semicolons? Darned necessary. I am, however, perhaps somewhat inclined to overuse punctuation (and qualifiers) &hellip or perhaps it's just that others underuse punctuation. And don't get me started on the necessity of the serial comma. "My parents, Ayn Rand and God" indeed.


From: [identity profile] lizziebelle.livejournal.com


I'm definitely a fan of the semicolon. I think they should be used more!
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From: [identity profile] netmouse.livejournal.com


On the contrary, I'm rather fond of semicolons and use them regularly.

From: [identity profile] minnehaha.livejournal.com


I have heard stories of writers who refuse to use some form of punctuation. This struck me as a useless affectation. I can see where Vonnegut would not use them; he obviously didn't think in them. Me, I like the richer complexity of thought available by using the semi-colon, even though I am very much a Vonnegut fan.

K.

From: [identity profile] sleigh.livejournal.com


I'm going to give up using periods -- in solidarity with my spouse

From: [identity profile] barondave.livejournal.com


I like semicolons, colons, ellipses, m-dashes and almost anything that helps pace and tone the written word.

I'm just as happy, however, that exuberant typists haven't embraced the multiple semis in quite the same way they pounce on multiple exclamation points...

From: [identity profile] barondave.livejournal.com


Hmm... I don't know whether the extra semis are emphasis, drawing the pause longer, or halve the half, a sort of hemi-demi-semi-colon, making the pause shorter.

I shall ponder. Slowly.

From: [identity profile] minnehaha.livejournal.com

Punctuation


I use all the punctuation marks all the time: commas, semi-colons, colons, m-dashes -- which I like a lot -- ellipses, and sometimes even parentheses (like this). They all have subtle differences in meaning and cadence.

B

From: [identity profile] maiac.livejournal.com


I use semicolons. They're useful and often expressive.

One thing I like about semicolons is they're less likely to be abused than other punctuation marks, notably apostrophes and commas. I can't remember ever being brought to a screeching halt by a misplaced or misused semicolon. Maybe it's only used by people who know how to use it properly.

From: [identity profile] chris-goodwin.livejournal.com


I overuse them, frequently. I'll have a paragraph with three sentences, each made up of two related thoughts. I have to force myself not to string three or more together (if I'm not careful I'll have four or five in one sentence).

From: [identity profile] greatsword.livejournal.com


I'll admit that I have to go through my text and reduce my use of semicolons. Especially after a long day of writing code, when I tend to end any complete thought with a semicolon. It gets better when my brain transitions out of C++.

I've never been stopped or disturbed by their use while reading, though.

From: [identity profile] carolf.livejournal.com


I use them. I use other forms of punctuation, as well. Punctuation is a writer's friend.

There are three things a semicolon can do that no other punctuation mark can do. A period, for example, ends one thought before starting the next. As OP pointed out, sometimes it is important to let one thought flow directly to the other. In those cases, a period is too abrupt.

Sometimes, not only do the thoughts flow into one another, but they complement one another; the second thought actually continues or exemplifies the other. Only a semicolon can prepare for a transition, yet keep you connected.

And, as OP commented, semicolons are indispensible when listing items which, themselves, are compound enough to require commas.

I, too, regret the recent abolition of the serial comma.

Maybe we're just old-fashioned?

From: [identity profile] sleigh.livejournal.com


(Steve holds hand to ear and leans on his cane in grumpy old man pose) "Eh? Why, back in my day..."

From: [identity profile] nomissnewo.livejournal.com


I still use semi colons pretty often for articles I write at my newspaper, but none of my other coworkers does; they usually go for the dash. I think it's not widely used because most people don't know how to properly use them.

From: [identity profile] desperance.livejournal.com


I use semi-colons all the time. And colons, and m-dashes, and and and. Never brackets in fiction, but that's just a consequence of my approach to narrative: I don't see how a bracket would fit. (M-dashes embrace an interior interpolation, which is fine, but brackets would seem to come from outside, which is not.)

I read somewhere recently that it's implausible to use semi-colons in dialogue, because people don't use them in actual speech. Which is also bullshit: I use them all the time when I'm talking.

From: [identity profile] sleigh.livejournal.com


Can't say I've ever used brackets in fiction either.... No, wait! I did once -- in an attempt to indicate that telepathic conversation. Not sure it worked, though.

From: [identity profile] desperance.livejournal.com


Come to think of it, back when I was a babywriter I had a trick of interrupting the flow of a paragraph with a

(bolt from the blue)

in brackets, just to emphasise the weight of the revelation. As you say, though, not sure it ever really worked, and thankfully I dropped it fairly soon. You're right, we use them for experimental typography - and, in the process, discover why we tend not to use them at all...

From: [identity profile] piratejenny.livejournal.com


Semicolons are a wonderful species of punctuation, when used correctly. In fact, they are sometimes even necessary.

There is not one copyeditor out there you will be able to convince otherwise.
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From: [identity profile] joecrow.livejournal.com


I'm a lover, not a hater.

...oh, and I like semicolons, too.

From: [identity profile] andpuff.livejournal.com


I believe that when we're born we're issued with a certain number of semi-colons and once they're gone, they're gone. So they should be used with care. Much like sentence fragements.
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From: [identity profile] sleigh.livejournal.com


On the other hand, we're given an unlimited number of ellipses...
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