Republican Presidential candidate Mitt Romney gave his speech this week, and enough people have commented on it that I'm sure everyone's already heard enough. But that's never stopped me before.... After reading his speech and mulling this over for a few days, I find that it's apparent to me that -- in the eyes of Romney and those of his ilk -- I am not qualified to be an American.

After all, I don't believe in any god at all. None.

"Freedom requires religion..." That's what Romney said in his speech. Therefore, since Romney is equating our country with freedoms, our country requires religion. Evidently there actually is a required religious test despite the fact that our constitution specifically forbids one. At least there is in Romney's view -- and he wants to make sure that everyone knows he passes that litmus test.

Strangely, nowhere, nowhere in this speech of supposed unity and tolerance is there any mention of those who don't believe in one of the three Judeo-Christian religions (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam). None. Buddhists, Hindus, Pagans, Agonistics, Aethiests, et. al.: they evidently don't exist in Romney's definition of "religious freedom."

As for the separation of church and state, Romney gives lip service to that idea, then rapidly contradicts himself: "...in recent years, the notion of the separation of church and state has been taken by some well beyond its original meaning. They seek to remove from the public domain any acknowledgment of God. Religion is seen as merely a private affair with no place in public life. It is as if they are intent on establishing a new religion in America – the religion of secularism. They are wrong." What? Not believing in a religion is a religion? I find that concept insulting, frankly. No one's asking that people not display signs of their faith. You want to put a creche in your front yard? Fine. You want to put a menorah in your window? Fine. But I don't want my city, state, or federal government putting up a religious display. Period. That's the government pushing a faith.

Worse, Romney has a religious test for judges, too: "Our greatness would not long endure without judges who respect the foundation of faith on which our constitution rests."

"We believe that every single human being is a child of God." I don't, emphatically. I believe that every single human being is a child of biological evolutionary processes. And a government that operates by that principle that we are "children of God" has not separated religion from politics.

"Americans acknowledge that liberty is a gift of God, not an indulgence of government." Wow... I am obviously not an American in Romney's view, since I consider our liberty to be entirely deriving from the work of human beings, not coming to us as a "gift of God."

"Any person who has knelt in prayer to the Almighty has a friend and ally in me." Obviously, I have no friend nor ally in Romney. Neither does a Pagan, nor a Buddhist, nor... well, the list is long.

It would seem that for Mitt Romney, and for those candidates who agree with his point of view, that there is freedom of religion in the United States as long as you're a Christian, and we'll perhaps tolerate you if you're Jewish, and we'll even pretend to tolerate you if you're Muslim as long as you're not one of those awful fundamentalist types. But if you're anything else.... well, there's no freedom for you, Bucko.

From: [identity profile] maiac.livejournal.com


Yeah, the oveall impression I got of Mitt's speech was that it boils down to "Don't judge me for my religion, but it's okay to judge other people for their lack of religion."

It's like Republicans have some neurological disorder that causes them to spout mind-boggling hypocrisy every time they open their mouths.

From: [identity profile] minnehaha.livejournal.com


The best thing you can do to counter this is to make sure your state has free and fair and honest elections.

K. [who in your state legislature supports day-of voter registration, audit-able voting machines, and better guidance on the county level? How can you get involved?]

From: [identity profile] davidbcoe.livejournal.com


Well put, my friend. I, too, have no place in Mitt's world. We're lighting candles for Hanukkah and we'll celebrate Christmas as always -- nods to my family religion and to Nancy's -- but I'm a committed non-believer, which means I can't be free or I'm not allowed to enjoy my freedom, or maybe I'm just not free to vote for Mitt. Yeah, I think I like that last one....

From: [identity profile] casaubon.livejournal.com


This all looks bizarre from over here (UK).

We've got a state religion, but religion is barely an issue over here. Politicians just don't mention their faith (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7111620.stm), assuming they've got any; it's just not done.

And the concept of atheists feeling marginalised or uncomfortable in society is alien to me.

From: [identity profile] rmeidaking.livejournal.com


We need to redefine "Religion" to mean "Lifestyle." I could seriously get behind the concept of "Freedom of Lifestyle." Of course, that's what the Religious Right wants to abolish. They want to redefine "Religion" as "Christian denomination."

I have been speculating for some time that we're going to have a major showdown in about 2016, where the Mormons, Catholics and Baptists face off against one another to determine the One True Religion. Anyone who scrapes beneath the outer facade can quickly determine that these are three separate systems of religious practice, and once they've cleared the field of the groups that are two small to count, it will become obvious. And they won't like it. I expect the country to split into four: The Northeast over to the Mississippi will be Catholic, the Southeast will be Baptist, the Pacific Northwest plus Utah and Montana (maybe the Dakotas, too) will be Mormon, and California will be its own country. I don't know what will happen to the Amish; they'll probably be ignored, so there will be an Amish belt through Pennsylvania, Ohio and Indiana, which may absorb Michigan as well.

Of course, this civil war - and it will be one - will be followed in about 2020 by the purchase of the USA by the Chinese as debt redemption, and they will institute their policy of No Religion with a vengeance.

Hey, you could at least get a couple of novels out of these ideas.... :-)

From: [identity profile] jdonat.livejournal.com

A commotted Christian speaks on this..


As a committed Christian, I am seriously offended by Milt's speach. The Founding Fathers were Deists -they were certainly not Christians, even by the standards of the late 1700's . I don't give a rats patoot what religion, if any a candidate has. My concern is whether he/she can keep it out of his/her service to the nation.

I, at first glance, would appear to qualify. But, as an ELCA Lutheran, I probably would'nt, if old Milt scratched the surface. The ELCA is pro-choice,
has, 'reconciling' congregations (ones that accept GLBT/same sex couples as full members in their congregations, and accept gay pastors. There is some hoo-haa on whether the minister can be in a committed, monogamous same-sex relationship and be ordained, but the Lutheran church is getting around that in a typically scandanavian way... just have a bishop that agrees with this ordain them. After ordination, no biggie.

Article 6 of the Constitution should be REQUIRED reading for any candidate to public office. They should be able to recite it and explain it before they can be placed on the ballot.

These candidates wearing their religion on their sleeves really annoys me..

Oh, well... "If This Goes On" Here we come!

From: [identity profile] erikted.livejournal.com

Re: A commotted Christian speaks on this..


After ordination, no biggie.

Unless you are Bradley Schmeling, and still end up defrocked (albiet he's still in place in his church). Sorry, I live in Atlanta and my housemate was involved in organizing the defense for Brad's trial. It's all a little raw.

And I agree with you that the Lutherns are waaaaay ahead of lots of other Christians on any number of things :).

From: [identity profile] jdonat.livejournal.com

Re: A commotted Christian speaks on this..


Yeah... geography probably has a lot of influence about how certain synods act. Even an ELCA church/synod probably acts differently below the 'Bible Belt'

From: [identity profile] jdonat.livejournal.com


More thoughts on this... Most Scandnavian Lutherans are pretty private about their religion, or their religious views (insert your Scandanavian Lutheran jokes here)... I certainly don't stand around professing my faith wherever I go (unless it's my faith in good beer).. It's part of my life, but it certainly doesn't define me as a person. Even as a Christian, I get uncomfortable when these candidates start professing their faith on the stump. Their religion should not be deciding how they vote, legislate, etc. I know that happens.. We had a congresscritter here in Il. (Henry Hyde) who was Roman Catholic. He was, of course, a pro-lifer. He, quixotically, was FOR things like the Family Leave Act and some other very family friendly legislation. He was a rare pro-lifer.. he believed that this extended to the lives of the children and familes, too. I didn't always agree with him, but I respected him becasue he did 'walk the walk' regarding family issues.

From: [identity profile] jdonat.livejournal.com


I checked. While Cook County is using e-voting machines (Sequoia Systems), and I'm not happy about that.. Gee , I wonder why?, the county does and always had the paper trail option on the machines. Makes me feel a bit better.. not perfect, but better. The county had problems with getting vote totals back to the board of Elections (trying to use electronic means to get the early, unverified totals back to the board of Elections for early counts).. but the machines seem to work ok. Day of voting registration? I'm not sure I'd do that down here in Cook County.. :)

From: [identity profile] barbarienne.livejournal.com


Right with you, guy. On The McLoughlin Group this weekend, Pat Buchannan reiterated this particular piece of crap: that the atheists would like to abolish all religion, and are just as evangelical as the Christians.

I almost threw a shoe through my television.
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From: [personal profile] podling


His speech chilled me. I don't understand people. I don't understand how it can be separated into us and them when we are supposedly one people. Commentators said that he may have won over some die-hard christians and all I could think is that he also lost a huge swath of non-christians (or for that matter, open-minded christians).
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